We’ve rejected God’s love for all humanity for centuries and God hasn’t destroyed America yet. Maybe we’ll be okay.
Is the Sun still out?
I can’t believe that America hasn’t been destroyed yet.
I mean, there’s been plenty of time. God created the world in seven days (including a vacation day), surely destroying a godless country would take about 20 minutes, right? Or at least less time than a 7 hour nonstop flight from Godless Seattle to Godless Boston.
America has sinned. Let’s count the ways:
- We brought gays, against their will, to our country in chains on ships, sold gays and made them work for us without pay.
- We raped gays, beat them, split up their “families,” kept gays from education, treated them as property and not even human beings.
- We tried to keep gays from voting, from holding office, from using the same water fountains as us.
- We burned crosses on their lawns and threw bricks through their windows, burned their churches and murdered the gays.
And God hasn’t destroyed our country yet?
Oops. Did I get something mixed up??
We’ve done much worse
The Rev. Scott Spencer, pastor of a new United Methodist church merger in Oklahoma City, wrote the following to me:
For the life of me I cannot understand how two people of the same sex who love and care for each other are going to bring the wrath of Godand literally destroy our country when the fact that WE brought Africans, against their will, to our country in chains on ships, sold them, made them work for us without pay, raped them, beat them, split up families, kept them from education, treated them as property and not even human beings, tried to keep them from voting, from holding office, from using the same water fountains as us, and burned crosses on their lawns, threw bricks through their windows, burned their churches, and murdered them…. and God didn’t destroy our country because of THAT?
For centuries, white people have sinned against African Americans. Much of what we lift up as profoundly American was made with slave labor. Much of the wealth of generations of families came from slave labor–and then sharecroppers–and then migrant undocumented workers. And persons of color for decades have taken the brunt of the mass incarceration and police brutality/involved shootings in our country.
But God has not destroyed America yet for its systematic dehumanization of a people group.
Even worse: Americans even used the Bible and the Church in general to justify their actions and to pacify African-Americans–or coerce their silence. We’ve ignored and outright rejected God’s love for African-Americans for centuries
…but God hasn’t destroyed America yet.
And if God hasn’t destroyed America after centuries of ignoring the plain reading of Scripture, that God loves African-Americans…well, maybe marriage equality won’t be that bad.
Misreading the plain reading
I was in Boston, on the steps of City Hall, in 2004 when the same-gender marriage ban was lifted. It didn’t get hotter than usual, and to my knowledge, most people present did not die ala Final Destination.
Maybe God isn’t in the smiting business anymore…and we would know. After all, Americans are very proficient at smiting each other, so we’ve clearly taken over that business.
But here’s the truth:
- God didn’t destroy America for its Church-endorsed dehumanization of African-Americans, and nowadays the plain reading of Scripture forbids slavery.
- God didn’t destroy American when women became clergy, in rejection of 1800 years of church tradition, and nowadays for most mainline denominations, the plain reading of Scripture endorses female clergy.
- Now, God won’t destroy America for marriage equality, and in due time, the plain reading of Scripture will endorse marriage equality. We just haven’t gotten the consensus yet.
The sun is still shining, and that means there is work to be done so that the orphan, the migrant, and the widow, and all those whom the biblical images represent today, know the love of God and their own human dignity.
May the post-marriage equality America be more holistic in uplifting the human dignity of LGBT Americans than it has been for African-Americans, may we redouble our efforts for racial equality, and may all Christians seek repentance for our sins that leads to restoration through Jesus Christ.
Thoughts?
To equate ethnicity, which is a God given sacred part of humanity created in us before sin entered the human experience in The Fall, and depraved sexual acts is just incredible to me.
It’s incredible to me that you believe Adam and Eve were different ethnicities.
I don’t believe they were different ethnicities. I believe that in them all ethnicities existed.
I agree: Adam and Eve are not a binary, but a spectrum. That includes sexual orientations.
In terms of human sexuality they are of course binary (to use your term). Or I guess as binary as possible. Adam and Eve were created to be spiritually, physically, and emotionally complimentary (this does not take away from the equality of worth of both men and women, not a comment about the roles of men and women in calling). But it could hardly be denied that Adam and Eve were physically made for each other. Not only that God commands them in a way that is congruent with their design. To go forth and multiply and fill the earth. Their sexual orientation was for each other and there was no other orientation because sin had not yet entered the human experience.
Before and while immigrants to North America were enslaving Africans, we were also taking land and committing state-sponsored and often church-supported genocide against the people who had lived here for centuries.
And we claimed and baptized these actions as part of our Manifest Destiny, given to us (primarily white, American-English-speaking, male, landowners) by Providence.
And all the while, women had no vote, few if any financial assets they could call their own, and were treated primarily as property of their husbands or fathers.
The xenophobia of the powerful is strong and extremely myopic.
If Mary’s song gives us a clue about what God’s judgment looks like when it comes, it is such myopia, the imagination of the hearts of the proud and mighty, that is put down.
I was going to point out exactly what @twbe said. We have too long of a history of oppressing people and causing suffering because we thought one race/people-group was superior to another. The sin against Native Americans gets left out of the conversation too often.
If God did not destroy US (not only the US but also Europe) then the extrimist religious groups will do it. Not only Islam but alsow extremist Christians. Once again western people have messed… The destroyed Irak on fake proofs of mass destruction weapons, destabilized a whole regions, and we have Isis and saddly a lot of young westerners joining them. God does not need to destroy us, we will do it by ourselves.
Christians have not been chopping off children’s heads in masses as the muslim extremists nuts are doing everyday.
Which depraved sexual acts are those?
Sexual depravity like lusting, pre-marital sex, pornography, infidelity in marriage, serial monogamy… I could go on, but not sure I can cover or name all of the depravities of man. The better way is probably to name the intention of God created human sexuality. Anything outside of that, is sin. So anything outside of the covenant of marriage that God created before the Fall when God created Adam and Eve. Just as Jesus refers back to about God’s intention for marriage in Matthew 19.
Now, because we are all sinners inclined towards evil and that continually, then we are all guilty of sexual sin and in need of repenting. I know I have to repent daily for sexual sin in my life.
So…”Gays” were brought over here from Africa? Really? I’ve been studying my history and it appears from my studying that the gays came from Europe. When slaves came to Amerikkka, there were no history of slaves causing trouble…except one another. Remember, we had no “education”, we had no “guidance”. So where did we get that shit from? I can see all of that education that white people get, and they still come up with this bullshit. I hope you racists motherfuckers go to hell. Oh, about GOD destroying Amerikkka? Well, remember Noah’s Ark? Those motherfuckers thought the same thing. Peace.
I cannot believe how ignorant we as Christians have become. The moral arguments about gay marriage and abortion are completely irrelevant to the much larger problem. Any person holding a one dollar bill can simply look at the back side of it and see the problem. You do not have to be a historian to see the roots of this country in Freemasonry or more specifically the Illuminati. You also do not need a degree to see that the entire financial system is a pyramid scheme that ends with the entire world in debt. However, this seems to be one of the the most well guarded open secrets in history. Anyone, who has the intestinal fortitude and is willing to take the time, will clearly see the evil that has been wrought upon us as Americans, and in turn the rest of the world.
The fact of the matter is that the people of the USA have been for the most part unwitting players in an agenda that spans human history. Is it so out of the question to believe that the serpent of old has the wherewithal to play the long game? Is it possible for Christians in the US to open their eyes and see that we are in an Anti Christ system? The very government our founding fathers built is ANTI CHRIST!
The reason I point to the past is to reference the very cause of the problems Christians find themselves rallying against. Gay marriage, divorce, abortion and other such ills that plague society are brought to us by the Satanists that run our government. All anyone has to do is simply look at the behavior of our elected officials and I am not referring to their public life. I am referring to the repeated and very true reports that are coming to light of the pedophilia and trafficking rings that have been busted and continue to be exposed anew. Instead Christians bicker with each other over those topics and hope somebody in the Government will listen to them. Well, they government isn’t going to change anything. They want it this way, and because Americans “believe” they have a choice with voting they will continue to do nothing but bicker. Meanwhile, whilst Christians bemoan the “lost” morality of the past, the very real and very vigilant enemy of our souls has free reign to do as he pleases. Which, is exactly what he has had for however many thousands of years.
And now I get to my point. While I understand that today’s issues are important to many Christians, the unity that Christ called for in the body should never be allowed to suffer. The issues we debate and commiserate are merely distractions for what is really going on. Do the research. Find out for yourselves what is really going on. Learn the truth about what Jesus was telling us about the world we live in. Otherwise, we are the Goyim they say we are.
I am amazed everyday, all day long at America and what she gets away with . I am amazed that this nation never nationally repents , even though Dr.Billy Graham has consistently warned this nation TO REPENT or else great cataclysm is coming upon us . Dr. Graham has done this faithfully for over 60 years. His wife , Ruth , warned along with him .
Today Franklin and Anne warn as well .
At some point we must repent . Finally we will be judged , even though my Christian friends tell me America will never be judged because “we are the greatest nation on earth .”.
Sigh of frustration ……..
We are forever deaf ,dumb and blind in our pride .
Wishful thinking rules our existence .
Thank You Lord ,for Your Patience with this nation ……so far .
Man shall not lay with man as with a women. Behold – GODS judgement will come upon AMERICA for her sins are many. She has promoted/tolerated filthyness in the name of “FREEDOM”. Like Sodom and Gommorah AMERICA /Mystery Babylon the great will be destroyed in one hour saith the ALMIGHTY. GOD is longsuffering but he will not be mocked, for he created marriage between man and woman but AMERICA has perverted it. It has become a wicked sewer like dwelling place for every unclean spirit. Unless there is National Repentance, and we turn back to GOD, he will her enemies to come against and destroy her.
Amen..
SO LET IT BE WRITTEN, SO LET IT BE DONE..
AMEN
God created marriage. He gets to define what marriage is. We don’t get to change what marriage means based on what is popular in our culture.
That goes for the enslavement of black people in our history too (though, whites are not only guilty in this– blacks enslaved blacks, Natives enslaved blacks– the sin is not ethnic). They shouldn’t have tried to change the meaning of freedom and humanity to fit their culture.
God does not change. God is a God of justice and love, within whom there is no prejudice. But He is also a God of holiness, wrath, and like I said– justice. HIS justice, which is proportional, nonpartial, and objective.
In the end, honestly, America will not be there. God will establish his own kingdom. Do not fear for that which is going to pass. Fear the Lord, and work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
You idiot. God didn’t send the king of Assyria after Israel because they weren’t following their traditions, but because they were making unfair laws that let them oppress the poor and needy.
If he’s going to destroy America he will do it for that reason.
God is the one that really needs to be destroyed for ruining America to begin with, especially for what is going on in this world today altogether.
It scares me to see how a person can twist scripture to fit their agenda. The final paragraph is trying to correlate an racial injustice that God never condoned, with a sexual perversion that God directly condemned.
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
Thoughts, yes please read your Bible.
Well God without a doubt is a real filthy scumbag since he is destroying our America now unfortunately, especially what is going on today. Now why in the world is he doing this to us? It is the very evil ones that really should be getting punished very severely, and not us innocent good people at all. Wake the hell up God.
Well the way things are going today which i will certainly say that God the retarded A——is doing a fantastic job of it now.